1 00:00:08,799 --> 00:00:06,809 [Music] 2 00:00:11,129 --> 00:00:08,809 howdy my name is Ben Hayworth 3 00:00:13,690 --> 00:00:11,139 I'm a graduate student at Penn State and 4 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:13,700 thank you to the conveners for giving me 5 00:00:17,170 --> 00:00:15,110 the opportunity to talk about this 6 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:17,180 project that I quite literally just 7 00:00:21,609 --> 00:00:19,310 started so if you like some of the 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:21,619 predictions about this that I'm making 9 00:00:26,650 --> 00:00:22,850 you should come to age you to see the 10 00:00:28,179 --> 00:00:26,660 final results alright so in general the 11 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:28,189 project I'm looking at is whether or not 12 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:30,710 space weather can impact an exoplanets 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:32,960 atmospheric chemistry on such a level 14 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:34,370 that you then can affect its 15 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:36,379 habitability and perhaps future 16 00:00:40,869 --> 00:00:38,870 observations of that planet so I am 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:40,879 currently in everyone's favorite part of 18 00:00:44,260 --> 00:00:42,890 a project model development so I'm kind 19 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:44,270 of stuck right now up in those first two 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:46,640 boxes but that's not what's driving the 21 00:01:02,259 --> 00:00:58,630 appreciative that's that's much better 22 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:02,269 okay all right so I'm right now stuck in 23 00:01:05,710 --> 00:01:03,920 those first two boxes but what's driving 24 00:01:08,020 --> 00:01:05,720 it are the potential implications of 25 00:01:09,969 --> 00:01:08,030 this so the first one which has been 26 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:09,979 explored by another group is that space 27 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:12,110 weather can potentially build up a 28 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:14,270 biotic lees nitrous oxide on your planet 29 00:01:18,940 --> 00:01:16,520 which is a potent greenhouse gas so it 30 00:01:21,219 --> 00:01:18,950 can radiatively force it and then I put 31 00:01:23,230 --> 00:01:21,229 plus haze there because nitrous oxide we 32 00:01:24,999 --> 00:01:23,240 find that our preliminary results has a 33 00:01:26,830 --> 00:01:25,009 very interesting relationship with 34 00:01:29,469 --> 00:01:26,840 organic haze that you build up on your 35 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:29,479 planet and both of those impacts the 36 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:30,890 habitability of the planets we want to 37 00:01:36,190 --> 00:01:32,810 explore that relationship further over a 38 00:01:38,919 --> 00:01:36,200 wide sweep of parameter space now I also 39 00:01:41,529 --> 00:01:38,929 put observations because one like secret 40 00:01:43,660 --> 00:01:41,539 said n2o is a potential bio signature on 41 00:01:45,639 --> 00:01:43,670 modern-day earth the only two processes 42 00:01:48,370 --> 00:01:45,649 that really build up n2o is lightning 43 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:48,380 and life and if we are able to abiotic 44 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:51,590 we build it up with another process we 45 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:53,119 should look at whether or not that is a 46 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:55,009 good bio signature and also what 47 00:01:58,180 --> 00:01:56,660 environments can it build up it turns 48 00:01:59,800 --> 00:01:58,190 out space weather may not be able to 49 00:02:01,540 --> 00:01:59,810 build up into Oh in certain environments 50 00:02:04,270 --> 00:02:01,550 but it can and others and that's 51 00:02:06,070 --> 00:02:04,280 something we want to explore and finally 52 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:06,080 this one's more speculative but this is 53 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:07,610 what actually got me thinking about this 54 00:02:11,170 --> 00:02:09,590 problem was right now we talk a lot 55 00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:11,180 about whether a magnetic field is 56 00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:13,520 necessary or impacts the habitability of 57 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:15,920 an exoplanet but at least for us triol 58 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:18,110 ones we have no way of detecting them 59 00:02:23,250 --> 00:02:20,060 it's well below any detection threshold 60 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:23,260 we can think of but if we know a process 61 00:02:27,820 --> 00:02:26,030 that impacts the atmospheric chemistry 62 00:02:29,860 --> 00:02:27,830 of a planet and can potentially be 63 00:02:31,869 --> 00:02:29,870 buffered by that planet's magnetic field 64 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:31,879 we could use that as a proxy for 65 00:02:36,970 --> 00:02:33,650 inferring whether or not these planets 66 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:36,980 may have magnetic field all right so I 67 00:02:40,270 --> 00:02:38,450 keep saying space weather what am I 68 00:02:42,490 --> 00:02:40,280 talking about I'm talking about 69 00:02:44,589 --> 00:02:42,500 solar proton events those that follow 70 00:02:47,619 --> 00:02:44,599 coronal mass ejections so this is one 71 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:47,629 for our own Sun in 2012 what these are 72 00:02:51,849 --> 00:02:50,420 they're very magnetically active events 73 00:02:53,830 --> 00:02:51,859 where the star will shed some of its 74 00:02:55,839 --> 00:02:53,840 coronal mass in the form of a plasma 75 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:55,849 stream these streams are going to be 76 00:03:00,220 --> 00:02:58,670 very high number density high-energy 77 00:03:02,170 --> 00:03:00,230 charged particles and they 78 00:03:05,050 --> 00:03:02,180 preferentially occur in the axis of 79 00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:05,060 rotation of your star so for systems 80 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:07,220 that aren't that misaligned this will 81 00:03:12,369 --> 00:03:10,400 also hit your planets it depends on how 82 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:12,379 active the star is our star right now is 83 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:14,209 pretty quiet but we know a lot of em 84 00:03:19,509 --> 00:03:18,230 dwarves that are very active now it's 85 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:19,519 also been proposed that potentially 86 00:03:22,930 --> 00:03:21,769 magnetic fields can shield you from this 87 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:22,940 that's actually one of their arguments 88 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:24,380 why they might be good for habitability 89 00:03:28,839 --> 00:03:27,200 this right here from the other group 90 00:03:31,180 --> 00:03:28,849 I'll mention in a second this was a 91 00:03:33,369 --> 00:03:31,190 Carrington like event modeled against 92 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:33,379 modern day Earth's magnetic field the 93 00:03:36,729 --> 00:03:35,209 white lines are our magnetic field lines 94 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:36,739 and you'll see that it's actually able 95 00:03:41,349 --> 00:03:39,620 to shear the Earth's magnetic field open 96 00:03:43,629 --> 00:03:41,359 enough that more of these particles can 97 00:03:45,729 --> 00:03:43,639 make it n so I'm not gonna be talking 98 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:45,739 about solar wind the reason for that is 99 00:03:50,770 --> 00:03:47,889 that's constantly buffeting the Earth's 100 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:50,780 magnetic or atmosphere and it's not 101 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:52,519 really driving any chemistry mainly 102 00:03:56,349 --> 00:03:54,230 because those particles are typically 103 00:03:58,599 --> 00:03:56,359 slow enough energy that they're 104 00:04:00,490 --> 00:03:58,609 deflected by our magnetic field and even 105 00:04:02,550 --> 00:04:00,500 those that are able to make it in lose 106 00:04:07,539 --> 00:04:02,560 their energy well above 100 kilometers 107 00:04:09,309 --> 00:04:07,549 in most cases all right so what kind of 108 00:04:11,589 --> 00:04:09,319 chemistry are these high-energy 109 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:11,599 particles able to drive it's relatively 110 00:04:15,430 --> 00:04:13,970 simple it's just splitting n2 which is a 111 00:04:17,650 --> 00:04:15,440 very difficult thing to do in the modern 112 00:04:19,449 --> 00:04:17,660 atmosphere so like I said lightning down 113 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:19,459 in the troposphere is able to split n2 114 00:04:24,129 --> 00:04:21,709 it's a really difficult triple bond and 115 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:24,139 we don't readily photolyze and - in the 116 00:04:27,850 --> 00:04:25,969 lower atmosphere the reason for that is 117 00:04:31,390 --> 00:04:27,860 the wavelengths that are able to make it 118 00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:31,400 into our mid altitudes 119 00:04:35,350 --> 00:04:32,900 the absorption cross-section for 120 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:35,360 ionization and dissociation friend two 121 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:37,430 are relatively similar so we end up is 122 00:04:41,590 --> 00:04:39,680 amend two but not really dissociating it 123 00:04:43,330 --> 00:04:41,600 so what occurs is these high-energy 124 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:43,340 protons are able to make it into the 125 00:04:46,090 --> 00:04:44,060 atmosphere 126 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:46,100 they will ionize the neutral gas around 127 00:04:50,170 --> 00:04:48,560 them and then the subsequent secondary 128 00:04:52,090 --> 00:04:50,180 electrons then have the correct 129 00:04:54,430 --> 00:04:52,100 cross-sections and energies the split 130 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:54,440 end to and once you split end to it can 131 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:55,639 stick the other things like hydrogen 132 00:05:01,780 --> 00:04:58,070 it's very reactive and you end up 133 00:05:04,180 --> 00:05:01,790 getting n 2o or h ZN usually not both of 134 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:04,190 them and that depends on your your 135 00:05:08,650 --> 00:05:06,350 background atmosphere so this process 136 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:08,660 had previously been explored by aaron at 137 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:11,360 all in 2016 it's a very exciting idea 138 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:13,370 the space weather can drive atmospheric 139 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:15,380 chemistry so they used a very 140 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:17,960 sophisticated magneto hydrodynamic model 141 00:05:22,779 --> 00:05:20,570 to calculate these particle fluxes at 142 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:22,789 the top of the planet's atmosphere how 143 00:05:26,379 --> 00:05:23,930 many are able to make it through the 144 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:26,389 magnetic field and then down into it and 145 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:29,270 then they used a sort of a box chemical 146 00:05:32,469 --> 00:05:30,410 model to see what happened 147 00:05:34,810 --> 00:05:32,479 so these are some profiles from their 148 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:34,820 chemical model and they found that in 149 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:37,490 the mid altitudes like say 30 to 40 150 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:39,710 kilometers they could get parts per 151 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:42,500 million of nitrous oxide which is enough 152 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:45,770 for it to be radiatively effective now 153 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:47,450 what we want to do is go back and look 154 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:49,010 at this process but there were some 155 00:05:52,659 --> 00:05:50,510 physics missing in the original chemical 156 00:05:54,490 --> 00:05:52,669 model so we want to explore that because 157 00:05:57,550 --> 00:05:54,500 a lot of this is very important for n2 158 00:05:59,020 --> 00:05:57,560 the first one is fatalis so originally 159 00:06:01,750 --> 00:05:59,030 was used and optimistic and a 160 00:06:04,570 --> 00:06:01,760 pessimistic photo destruction rate turns 161 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:04,580 out when you look at n 2o wavelength by 162 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:07,310 wavelength then it very very readily 163 00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:09,710 wants to photo dissociate at almost any 164 00:06:15,129 --> 00:06:12,740 UV wavelength so that's something you 165 00:06:17,589 --> 00:06:15,139 have to consider also convection so a 166 00:06:20,650 --> 00:06:17,599 lot of these high-energy particles again 167 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:20,660 they will fall off with pressure as they 168 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:22,010 enter the atmosphere so you'll be doing 169 00:06:25,629 --> 00:06:24,260 a lot of this chemistry high up and then 170 00:06:28,270 --> 00:06:25,639 less and less as you work your way down 171 00:06:29,260 --> 00:06:28,280 so mixing processes are important to 172 00:06:32,650 --> 00:06:29,270 consider when you're doing this 173 00:06:34,930 --> 00:06:32,660 chemistry third is organic haze so I 174 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:34,940 just said n2o likes to fertilize very 175 00:06:39,129 --> 00:06:37,490 easily and you need something to shield 176 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:39,139 it so we're thinking what could shield 177 00:06:43,390 --> 00:06:41,240 it out to those wavelengths and organic 178 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:43,400 haze if it's thick enough is very 179 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:45,210 capable of shielding in the UV 180 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:47,550 I put fractal up here just because 181 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:49,590 people that typically model Hayes know 182 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:51,630 that it's not nice little spheres that 183 00:06:55,129 --> 00:06:53,190 you model when it's scattering it 184 00:06:56,570 --> 00:06:55,139 typically aggregates into gross 185 00:06:58,939 --> 00:06:56,580 geometries which will pretend are 186 00:07:01,340 --> 00:06:58,949 fractals and that makes it a very 187 00:07:03,529 --> 00:07:01,350 effective scatterer in the UV so it 188 00:07:07,249 --> 00:07:03,539 allows it to shield out further 189 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:07,259 wavelengths and then finally ion 190 00:07:09,620 --> 00:07:07,979 chemistry 191 00:07:10,939 --> 00:07:09,630 so I just said these protons as they 192 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:10,949 come through the atmosphere they'll be 193 00:07:15,020 --> 00:07:13,199 producing secondary electrons that 194 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:15,030 ionizes the background neutral 195 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:18,030 atmosphere and while it's short-lived 196 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:19,889 it's on the similar time skills as these 197 00:07:23,749 --> 00:07:22,020 chemical reactions and the reactive 198 00:07:25,010 --> 00:07:23,759 cross-sections for those ions are 199 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:25,020 considerably different than their 200 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:27,270 neutral counterparts so these are you 201 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:28,289 know the physics that we're gonna be 202 00:07:32,180 --> 00:07:30,150 throwing in the model that I'm currently 203 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:32,190 working on okay 204 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:33,930 so I'll run through this real quick so 205 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:36,120 this is the boring part but I can't get 206 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:37,530 a thesis doing this on the back of a 207 00:07:42,650 --> 00:07:39,240 cocktail laughing I have to show that I 208 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,660 did some science so we'll be looking at 209 00:07:46,310 --> 00:07:44,400 how efficiently these particles are able 210 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:46,320 to propagate through the atmosphere once 211 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:48,210 we know their fluxes by altitude we can 212 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:49,740 then run them through our chemical model 213 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:52,020 to know how much of this chemistry is 214 00:07:57,529 --> 00:07:53,550 actually going to be driven do we end up 215 00:07:59,000 --> 00:07:57,539 with m2o hcn haze and then we also do 216 00:08:01,279 --> 00:07:59,010 care about the habitability so we can 217 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:01,289 then take those profiles mixing ratio 218 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:03,180 profiles and run them through a 1d 219 00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:05,250 radiative convective model to see if 220 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:06,479 they have any effect on the surface 221 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:08,639 temperature and finally I did mention 222 00:08:12,110 --> 00:08:10,530 that in the future we want to think of 223 00:08:15,140 --> 00:08:12,120 what these signals would mean 224 00:08:17,420 --> 00:08:15,150 observational II so we can use smart or 225 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:17,430 PSG which we've currently been looking 226 00:08:20,870 --> 00:08:19,259 at to generate spectra using those 227 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:20,880 pressure temperature in the exterior 228 00:08:27,379 --> 00:08:25,020 profiles okay so I said n2l readily 229 00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:27,389 photolyze --is the left plot right here 230 00:08:30,860 --> 00:08:28,680 that red line is the absorption 231 00:08:32,930 --> 00:08:30,870 cross-section for nitrous oxide and 232 00:08:35,300 --> 00:08:32,940 these black lines right here are the 233 00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:35,310 fraction of its catalysis per wavelength 234 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:37,140 then and just right up front I'll tell 235 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:38,729 you both of those curves integrates to 236 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:41,130 about one so almost all the Anto you 237 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:42,990 build up immediately photolyze it's in 238 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:45,839 UV the black solid lines at the top of 239 00:08:49,310 --> 00:08:47,730 the atmosphere so it's photolyze anova 240 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:49,320 its entire range that's because there's 241 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:51,600 nothing shielding it and and down in the 242 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:53,220 troposphere I believe this was 15 243 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:55,920 kilometers none of its fertilizing outs 244 00:08:59,030 --> 00:08:58,290 of 2009 strums that's because co2 is 245 00:09:01,250 --> 00:08:59,040 ineffective she 246 00:09:03,319 --> 00:09:01,260 and then immediately after it everything 247 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:03,329 fertilizes we tried to think what can we 248 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:04,980 put that can shield it out to at least 249 00:09:09,319 --> 00:09:06,649 2500 angstroms 250 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:09,329 so we tried methane like the previous 251 00:09:15,310 --> 00:09:11,519 authors had proposed methane though 252 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:15,320 while it dissociates under UV it is not 253 00:09:20,569 --> 00:09:16,529 effective 254 00:09:22,069 --> 00:09:20,579 past like 1700 angstroms so this plot 255 00:09:23,780 --> 00:09:22,079 right here is we were just taking upper 256 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:23,790 fluxes from the previous air peach 257 00:09:27,769 --> 00:09:25,649 nettles group plugging them in and 258 00:09:29,689 --> 00:09:27,779 seeing can we get any of this to connect 259 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:29,699 down and then be shielded by methane 260 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:32,220 this was an unrealistically methane 261 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:34,649 heavy case I was like a 20% mixing ratio 262 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:38,550 of methane on the planet all right but 263 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:41,040 can hey shield it the answer is yes 264 00:09:45,319 --> 00:09:43,649 so after stare suck I feel like I should 265 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:45,329 talk about different kinds of Hayes's 266 00:09:48,439 --> 00:09:46,740 than the one in this model but it is 267 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:48,449 just a hydrocarbon haze that's what we 268 00:09:52,370 --> 00:09:49,980 currently have optical properties for 269 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:52,380 but I'd be excited don't get nitrogen 270 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:55,230 very Hayes's okay so in our model what 271 00:10:00,500 --> 00:09:58,050 we do is we build up a hydrocarbon haze 272 00:10:03,170 --> 00:10:00,510 by adjusting the methane to co2 ratio 273 00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:03,180 under a UV environment and so this is 274 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:05,519 very relatively thick haze you'll see at 275 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:07,290 the top of the atmosphere and at 75 276 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:09,690 kilometers almost none of our UV energy 277 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:12,060 is lost once you get to 50 kilometers 278 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:13,769 you start to just dip below that haze 279 00:10:18,019 --> 00:10:16,260 deck and then down at 25 in the surface 280 00:10:21,019 --> 00:10:18,029 almost none of the UV makes it down 281 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:21,029 there so organic haze can be an 282 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:24,060 effective shield for this now what does 283 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:25,620 this mean for habitability we know that 284 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:27,420 we need a is to shield n2o and we know 285 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:30,120 that n2o can radiatively force the 286 00:10:34,340 --> 00:10:32,850 climate so the previous work was done 287 00:10:36,170 --> 00:10:34,350 for the early Earth here peach natal 288 00:10:38,059 --> 00:10:36,180 group wanted to answer the fam Sun 289 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:38,069 paradox if we had a more active young 290 00:10:42,019 --> 00:10:39,750 star could we potentially warm it with 291 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:42,029 this n2o and that seems like a natural 292 00:10:45,379 --> 00:10:43,649 place to start since we have a different 293 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:45,389 suite of models and it's always good to 294 00:10:49,579 --> 00:10:47,610 retest hypotheses I throw up an orange 295 00:10:51,949 --> 00:10:49,589 earth because I'm gonna pretend early 296 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:51,959 Earth was hazy if you disagree don't 297 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:54,810 know I need it for this all right and 298 00:10:57,769 --> 00:10:56,399 then also early Mars we have problem 299 00:10:59,600 --> 00:10:57,779 warming that so it's a natural next step 300 00:11:01,069 --> 00:10:59,610 but this is EXO climb so we care about 301 00:11:02,509 --> 00:11:01,079 exoplanets and this is where it's going 302 00:11:04,939 --> 00:11:02,519 to be really interesting to explore the 303 00:11:06,259 --> 00:11:04,949 relationship between haze and n2l so I 304 00:11:08,199 --> 00:11:06,269 put the trap is system up here on 305 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:08,209 purpose because it's orbiting an M dwarf 306 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:10,680 very active stars they'll have very 307 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:12,810 frequent coronal mass ejections 308 00:11:16,930 --> 00:11:14,760 and also they are all orbiting very 309 00:11:19,010 --> 00:11:16,940 close to the star not only will you 310 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:19,020 experience more of these high-energy 311 00:11:23,540 --> 00:11:21,360 particles but more than will interact 312 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:23,550 with the atmosphere and they potentially 313 00:11:26,630 --> 00:11:24,930 don't have magnetic fields at least 314 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:26,640 that's what most people think right now 315 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:28,170 so you shouldn't have any mitigation 316 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:31,050 from that all right so let's say we have 317 00:11:34,910 --> 00:11:33,120 a very active star and we want to see 318 00:11:36,769 --> 00:11:34,920 how this plays out you've a very active 319 00:11:38,570 --> 00:11:36,779 star you're gonna have more coronal mass 320 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:38,580 ejections more of these particles in the 321 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:41,160 atmosphere true you're also gonna have a 322 00:11:47,570 --> 00:11:45,480 higher XUV flux from flares now this 323 00:11:48,769 --> 00:11:47,580 step is very compositionally dependent 324 00:11:50,390 --> 00:11:48,779 and this is where a large sweep over 325 00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:50,400 parameter space is necessary for 326 00:11:54,530 --> 00:11:52,470 exoplanets on the right here I said 327 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:54,540 having a higher xev flux means you'll 328 00:11:58,579 --> 00:11:56,670 have more organic haze that is heavily 329 00:12:01,130 --> 00:11:58,589 dependent on you having those precursor 330 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:01,140 molecules in your atmosphere at least in 331 00:12:04,730 --> 00:12:03,000 our model that would be a methane to co2 332 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:04,740 ratio so if you have a lot of methane 333 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:06,390 you have enough of that to break apart 334 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:08,850 into CH very reactive you'll start to 335 00:12:14,510 --> 00:12:12,180 form those haze aggregates now on the 336 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:14,520 Left more n2o is produced that is also 337 00:12:19,550 --> 00:12:17,040 generally true if this original 338 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:19,560 hypothesis is correct however it's going 339 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:21,210 to depend on the seed Oh ratio of your 340 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:23,040 atmosphere so there's a critical point 341 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:26,250 where if you have too much carbon to 342 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:29,280 oxygen you're gonna be forming HCM 343 00:12:34,430 --> 00:12:32,040 rather than nitrous oxide so there is a 344 00:12:36,050 --> 00:12:34,440 minimum threshold amount of methane we 345 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:36,060 need to start building a haze but there 346 00:12:40,130 --> 00:12:37,920 might also be a maximum threshold for 347 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:40,140 you'll be creating a gas that's not 348 00:12:43,220 --> 00:12:41,850 radiatively important still an 349 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:43,230 interesting gas especially if you like 350 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:44,790 prebiotic chemistry but not for 351 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:48,210 habitability and we know hazel have a 352 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:49,980 positive relationship with n 12 you need 353 00:12:54,020 --> 00:12:52,320 something to shield it now in general 354 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:54,030 both of those will have opposing impacts 355 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:55,290 on the planet if we're forming these 356 00:13:00,110 --> 00:12:57,330 really thick Hayes's that are necessary 357 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:00,120 to form nitrous oxide they're also going 358 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:01,530 to effectively raise the planetary 359 00:13:06,260 --> 00:13:04,290 albedo which cools the surface while n 360 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:06,270 2o is a greenhouse gas it'll act to warm 361 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:07,410 it and I have no idea what the 362 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:09,300 magnitudes of those two are competing 363 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:10,560 against one another and that's something 364 00:13:14,660 --> 00:13:12,089 that we definitely want to explore in 365 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:14,670 this all right now I talked about 366 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:17,730 observations n2o is a potential bio 367 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:19,890 signature I'm not a biologist but notice 368 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:22,680 through nitrate reduction and n2 it does 369 00:13:26,630 --> 00:13:25,410 have a nice absorption feature 4.5 370 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:26,640 microns which is 371 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:30,930 eventually observable potentially now 372 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:33,390 this on the surface makes it seem like 373 00:13:36,410 --> 00:13:34,590 oh and tulle might be a bad bio 374 00:13:38,030 --> 00:13:36,420 signature but like we just said that 375 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:38,040 might depend on the atmosphere so if we 376 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:39,870 have a very you see an atmosphere that's 377 00:13:44,210 --> 00:13:42,600 very hazy and you like very hazy and you 378 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:44,220 see nitrous oxide and I say that 379 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:45,630 tongue-in-cheek saying you can see a 380 00:13:49,610 --> 00:13:48,330 signature and it's very hazy you know 381 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:49,620 that maybe space weather would be 382 00:13:54,290 --> 00:13:52,110 producing HCN abiotic li non nitrous 383 00:13:56,630 --> 00:13:54,300 oxide so maybe it's still a good bio 384 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:56,640 signature on that kind of atmosphere so 385 00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:58,770 it really depends on that's and we want 386 00:14:01,340 --> 00:13:59,760 to explore the difference between the 387 00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,350 background oxidized atoms for your 388 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:03,360 bursts reduced because that'll also give 389 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:07,260 you different phases alright and finally 390 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:08,610 this was the more speculative one 391 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:10,920 whether or not you could use this as a 392 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:13,260 proxy for a magnetic field and to do 393 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:14,160 that we would really have to know how 394 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:15,990 many of these energy solar energetic 395 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:18,450 particles are buffered by the planet 396 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:20,670 having a magnetic field versus not so if 397 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:23,130 you see a planet that you think I'd have 398 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:25,980 a Geo Dynamo around a very active star 399 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:29,070 and it has a haze but no HCN maybe that 400 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:30,570 means none of those particles are making 401 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,190 it down into the lower atmosphere and 402 00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:34,500 can drive that chemistry that's very 403 00:14:39,190 --> 00:14:36,270 speculative but that's at least why I 404 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:39,200 found it exciting to begin with and 405 00:15:01,450 --> 00:14:42,240 those are my conclusions and I'll take 406 00:15:08,260 --> 00:15:04,550 what are what the photochemical lifetime 407 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:08,270 of nitrous with and without a haze out 408 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:12,720 haze it is I know it's about three to 409 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:14,130 four orders of magnitude difference but 410 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:18,060 I don't remember the actual numbers okay 411 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:26,220 thank you so okay thank you over on the 412 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,910 side how just sort of thinking about 413 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:34,560 most of place you're looking at in the 414 00:15:39,950 --> 00:15:35,970 next a plain sense it's all tightly 415 00:15:41,750 --> 00:15:39,960 locked so you've got one side where the 416 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:41,760 NGO is going to be fertilized but if it 417 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:43,710 can make it over to the night side will 418 00:15:47,810 --> 00:15:45,810 its lifetime be sort of increased 419 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:47,820 significantly on one of the implications 420 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:51,420 of at idea dog system I'm not sure I 421 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:53,370 actually have no idea how Hayes's would 422 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:55,890 work in 3d if you would be able to 423 00:15:59,470 --> 00:15:57,450 transport the necessary totalized 424 00:16:02,570 --> 00:15:59,480 components to the night side and then 425 00:16:04,070 --> 00:16:02,580 continually shield it so I don't that 426 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:04,080 would be a 3d problem and everything 427 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:06,210 I've thought about some in 1d that's an 428 00:16:22,010 --> 00:16:07,560 interesting question 429 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:22,020 thank you RJ from Oxford um does after 430 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:23,970 you if you make a lot of into if you 431 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:25,890 have a high end to plug into a flux does 432 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:27,450 it eventually get converted back to n2 433 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:31,230 or as does the into oh end up like in 434 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:33,150 the ground or something like could you 435 00:16:36,650 --> 00:16:35,070 imagine this being like a sink on on 436 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:36,660 into and like decreasing the surface 437 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:38,550 pressure of your planet over time or 438 00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:42,750 would it just equilibrated some value ya 439 00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,640 know the particle flux for these 440 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:46,560 energetic particles are not enough to at 441 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:47,880 least for like the modern earth you're 442 00:16:51,410 --> 00:16:49,380 not changing the background pressure and 443 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:51,420 to by doing this it's it's relatively 444 00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:52,260 small scales 445 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Shami Oxford very interesting talk just 446 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:08,730 a quick question is there also a minimum 447 00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:13,850 threshold for producing NGO with the 448 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:17,790 nitrogen like you have to have a 449 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:20,910 nitrogen dominating sphere right now 450 00:17:23,449 --> 00:17:22,530 that's all I've explored modeling but 451 00:17:25,970 --> 00:17:23,459 yes there would definitely be a 452 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:25,980 dependence on that so that would be one 453 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:27,360 thing we've one of first explorers 454 00:17:30,770 --> 00:17:28,830 what's the dependence on your nitrogen 455 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:30,780 partial pressure and formation of n2o 456 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:32,700 given everything else is the same but 457 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:34,110 that yes there there would be a 458 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:41,010 dependence if there are no additional 459 00:17:45,170 --> 00:17:43,690 questions thank you